We don't know a numerical amount, I can easily see it being 100x, but for the sake of really showcasing how far ahead Super is to GT let's choose the bare minimum (40x) and only make SSJG 2x stronger than that. Current Base Gogeta would be stronger than UI Goku.. The only scaling for Beerus and Jiren is a magazine scan that claims MUI Goku is 'possibly' stronger than Beerus. There are two different fusion forms for Goku and Vegeta in the world of Dragon Ball-- Gogeta and Vegito -- but which one is stronger?The answer is quite simple, thanks to Dragon Ball Super.Having originated in Dragon Ball Z, fusion is a concept that allows two characters to "fuse" into one being.The point of the technique is to drastically increase their power level. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. Retaining the memories of both Goku and Vegeta, Vegito is a more cocky, vindictive character than Goku, with a personality closer to Vegeta's. It happens. Like Goku, Vegeta is capable of using Super Saiyan Blue to raise his powers to astronomically high levels.Furthermore, Vegeta can even go a step beyond that with Blue Evolution, taking his powers even higher than Toppo, a God of Destruction candidate. Jiren just glare at the spirit bomb and make into the black hole. This scales Gohan and Dabura to 4000 Killi, which makes Goku and Vegeta each 1.5x stronger than Gohan. How is SS Gogeta stronger than MUI Goku? EPIC SKILLS & MOVESET! Becoming 80,000x stronger than SSJ3 (and 40x stronger than the max for SSJ4 Gogeta). Me personally don’t think MUI goku is stronger than SSB Gogeta, every form of gogeta is quadrupled wat goku is in every way. Base Gogeta would be > SSJBE Vegeta and SSJBE Vegeta is > Omen MUI however is unknown but it wouldn't matter reallyGoku can tap into MUI at will now. According to an official source, the animanga of the Goku Jr. anime special, Super Saiyan Vegetto, during the Buu arc, possibly could have been stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Cumber stomps because even his restrained base form is stated by Goku to be stronger than Jiren who's stronger than a G.O.D even before he broke his limits while Gogeta Blue is stronger than a dude whose possibly stronger than a G.O.D plus the forms are nerfed in the Broly Movie so the possible multiplier for Gogeta's UI wouldn't be as strong as Goku's from the Prison Planet Saga or the Universal Conflict Arc Considering against Broly, Super Saiyan Gogeta outperformed Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta and Goku, I'm pressing X to doubt that Goku had any idea about SSG's power when he said Vegito wasn't enough on King Kai's planet. 10/17/2019. Now when Base Gogeta appeared he effortlessly dodged all attacks of powered up SSJ Broly, broly wasn't able to catch Gogeta by speed. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. Rank the most powerful character in dragon ball. The strongest existence that come from M.U.G.E.N.verse. Vegito circa Buu was 2 * 20-99x stronger than Goku. Gogeta (Dragon Ball Super) Gogeta Db Super > Vegito > Superman show 8 replies . A ki blast from Broly could effortlessly blow up a planet equivalent or greater than the Earth. Okay, so this isn’t exactly a reason why Gogeta is stronger than Vegito, but it should be. Again, just to showcase things, we'll choose the barest minimum increase of 2x, making it 160,000 stronger than SSJ3 (and 80x stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta). So in this hypothetical, SSJG is 80x SSJ3 as an absolutely unrealistic bare minimum. This is a hard stomp. And finally, MUI is again clearly stronger, and again we'll pick the utter minimum increase of 2x. The only scaling for Beerus and Jiren is a magazine scan that claims MUI Goku is 'possibly' stronger than Beerus. Then he has his SSG form which is a lot stronger than SSJ3, then SSB, then kaioken or complete SSB (if you follow the manga instead) and then UI which is massively stronger on top of it. I believe it was Seth The Programmer who broke down all the feats and statements in GT to show that SSJ4 is far superior to SSJ Vegito. Ssj gogeta is stronger than regular ssj broly. Current Base Gogeta would be stronger than UI Goku.. In both the extended edition of the BoG movie and the BoG arc of Super, Goku indicates that he feels that even fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough to beat Beerus, and that Super Saiyan God, when he obtained it, is a level of power beyond anything he believed could have existed. nonsense dude, SSJ3 gets beaten by MUI Goku (keep this in mind). That makes them more or less equal in strength. This is a hard stomp. Share Tweet. The whole god-ki attaining process is still nebulous. It solos everything espcally MUGENverse and your computer.Anyways,this page is a huge downplay compare to the true Mathrus And even worse,there have a 2 Omegadownplayed version of it:https://joke-battles.wikia.com/wiki/Mathrus https://joke-battles.wikia.com/wiki/Mathrus_(M.U.G.E.N) So, at minimum, Jiren, using just his glare and not struggling whatsoever whilst still heavily suppressed, is 400 times stronger than SSB/KKx20 Goku. Play As Spyro 3 Characters In ALL Games! There is no such thing as "base fusion" > indididuals max. Ending with … Just how strong is Goku's new form and state?! Jun 4, 19 at 9:29am (PST) ^ re: Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gogeta Blue: quote John West. and Gogeta is too slow to touch MUI Goku. But given this new information, with or without my headcanon, I'd say he is likely at least relative to MUI Goku, which makes him stronger than Jiren and Broly either way, but there's a reason I said at least. Gogeta from super went to another dimension not gt gogeta. SSJB Gogeta >> LSSJ Broly >>>> SSJ Gogeta >/= SSJ Broly (adapted) >>>> Base Gogeta > SSJ Broly (Initial) >>> Ikari Broly >/< SSJB Goku. Even if goku was stronger than goten in the buu saga, goten would win. He wasn't wrong, Beerus was definitely beyond Vegito, he was just also beyond SSG. So numerically, what does this mean? 3 Can Shatter Dimensions The gap between Gogeta Blue and Goku Blue is as vast as the one between SSJ Goku and SSJ Gogeta (from Janemba's movie) ratio wise, so it's an abyss we are talking about. Goku surpassed Jiren with UI, which is stronger than a god that is stronger than Beerus. shaneherald 3 mo 15 d 3 mo 15 d Jun 4, 19 at 9:29am (PST) ^ re: Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gogeta Blue: quote John West. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Jiren is at least stronger than Belmod. Gt gogeta doesn't. level 1 Secondly, irrespective of whether Broly is stronger than Beerus, his power has been compared to a God of destruction. That makes him closely more than 100 times stronger than FPPSSB Goku. and if Mui was really stronger than gogeta how did 17 freeza and goku in base form fight jiren then?thinking of goku and vegeta having a PL of at least 20.000. fused that would mean they have 400.000.000. suggesting 17 and freeza have maybe a PL of 15.000 they would have 40.000 together. Do you think SSJ4 Gogeta or MUI Goku would win? 1 Siriel. Jiren is stronger than MUI Goku. If this was kaioken x 20 SSB Goku vs SSJ4 Gogeta, I do think we'd have a very good fight. Gogeta Blue >> LB Jiren > FPSS Broly = MUI Goku. And Broly was fighting Golden Frieza in that time spent in Legendary Super Saiyan Form, and still managed to keep up with Gogeta Red, who is stronger or equal than Goku MUI, who is stronger or equal than Jiren. Gogeta's new traits in Broly were a result of Akira Toriyama's attempt at adding him into the \"Dragon Ball canon\". SSJG is stated as being stronger than Vegito circa Buu. Mastered Ultra Instinct can't loose. Blaze. Jiren is stronger than a GoD, who is confirmed by Whis, who knows the full extent of Beerus's power,to be stronger than him. So how could Gogeta possibly be weaker than Goku? Using more realistic values takes it from 160x SSJ4 Gogeta to tens of thousands of times stronger. STRONGEST NEW VEGETA OOZARU MUI HEAVEN FORM! Mui Goku, ssjbe vegeta, fp beerus, gogeta blue, gt gogeta, xeno vegito, vegito blue, lssj broly, fused zamasu, ssj3 Kefla, hit, and FP Jiren. And this was right in the beginning when he was still learning how to harness the power, it got considerably stronger after that. SO Mui goku will win. And yes, hype statements are made before every fight in DBZ. Now UIO is clearly stronger by an indeterminate amount. s-e-e-k-e-r 193 total posts: 1712 since: Jun 2017. It really comes down to what a fusion is supposed to be - it is supposed to be much stronger than it's component members together. Super Baby2 arrives January 15th, 2021 with Gogeta SS4 coming soon! You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Golden freeza gets stomped by anyone on beerus's level. Dragon Ball FighterZ - Official Gogeta SS4 & Super Baby 2 Reveal Trailer. Dragon Ball Super: Broly's official introduction of Gogeta into canon has fans once again discussing the pros and cons of Dragon Ball's fusion methods. NEW DOPEST SKILLS & MOVESET! How is SS Gogeta stronger than MUI Goku? That being said, the fact that Dai Kaioshin was stronger than Post-ToP SSJB Goku and SSJBE Vegeta is still really funny to me. Ssb goku vs Base Gogeta would go like episode 109-110. This Powered up form may be 2 to 10 times stronger than before. s-e-e-k-e-r 193 total posts: 1712 since: Jun 2017. Vegeta at blue-er-er is beyond GoD level. Mui Goku, ssjbe vegeta, fp beerus, gogeta blue, gt gogeta, xeno vegito, vegito blue, lssj broly, fused zamasu, ssj3 Kefla, hit, and FP Jiren. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I honestly think that Gogeta wouldn't stand a chance. You can't beat what you can't touch. Dragon Ball Super Power Levels are all fan made and original, based on official power levels from the databooks, manga, anime and the daizenshuu guidebooks. Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 Mods: 2019-10-17: STRONGEST NEW GOKU SSJ ANGEL MUI HEAVEN FORM EVER! DB Xenoverse 2 Mods: 2019-10-15: CHARACTER SWAP! First of all, Gogeta is stronger than MUI Goku and Limit Breaker Jiren because Gogeta is made of Goku’s and Vegeta’s best traits and multiplies it by a lot so any power-up or transformation Goku or Vegeta gets is added to Gogeta. yeah, and Broly and Gogeta fighting together against MUI Goku would lose. Now SSJB is a simple 50x multiplier. Broly is even able to overpower Golden Frieza and fight on equals with Super Saiyan Gogeta who is multiple times stronger than both Goku and Vegeta. Ending with 320,000x SSJ3 (and 160x stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta). This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Now KK20 is 20x stronger again. The only way then that Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would be able to stand any real chance against Goku in the completed Ultra Instinct form is if the difference between Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta and Super Saiyan 4 Goku was greater than the difference between UI Goku (ToP) and Super Saiyan God Goku (BoG), and that's just not likely. And we know SSJG is easily stronger than this. MUI defeated Jiren, who is stronger than someone stronger than Beerus, according to Whis, who saw Beerus at his fullest. this would include Jiren at his peak, Jiren at his peak is undoubtedly UI level, with MUI Goku being only slightly stronger than him. Goku and Vegeta should both be at that level. Is Gogeta as strong as Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku and Awakened Jiren from the Tournament of power? el chapo guzman. ... FP ssj Broly is far above ssj gogeta, but just probably above beerus. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. I think it all just becomes too much for SSJ4 Gogeta to handle. LB Jiren, while arguably stronger than MUI Goku, lost to MUI Goku due to Goku's skill in UI. Base Gogeta would be > SSJBE Vegeta and SSJBE Vegeta is > Omen MUI however is unknown but it wouldn't matter reallyGoku can tap into MUI at will now. Amicus. Goku has gotten a whole lot stronger since the start of Super though and even if we assume that his base form is still behind his GT self, he can't be too far behind at this point. Gogeta Blue is definitely stronger. Since Goku and Vegeta are both stated much stronger than Gohan, and their SS2 powers would equal 6000 killi, the lowest end of scale is the most accurate. If we take use SSJ3 as our baseline, then two SSJ4 characters have 10x multipliers each. Yea you see Goku and Vegeta training with Whis, but it doesn't look any different than basic training they've always done. ... SSJB Gogeta > MUI Goku > LB Jiren > LSSJ Broly > MUI Goku (Initial) > Jiren > Beerus . Goku at MUI casually toys with Jiren, so he's not unlimited. Add this together for the fusion (20x) and multiply it by "tens" of times and we have a multiplier range for a SSJ4 fusion of 400-2000x SSJ3. But then you find out it's actually stronger than SSJG, making it useless immediately. User Info: MUIGogito. So 2 * 20-99. Goku compared Broly to 'possibly' being stronger than Beerus. And yet SSB Goku managed not to be fodderized by Jiren later on. then FPSSJ Broly is definitively beyond so if SSJ Broly is already within that range of strength. el chapo guzman. Letöltés. Check out the Gogeta SS4 reveal and Super Baby 2 gameplay trailer for Dragon Ball FIGHTERZ! After a brief too-fast-to-see-statue-fight, MUI Goku … And i disagree, Broly has way more stamina and strength than Jiren, in the movie "DB Super: Broly" Goku and Vegeta failed to do the Fusion 2 times, so they lost 1h. Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku VS Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta - Who is stronger? I just can't take a statement from Goku after he's woken up from being knocked out by a character he can't even guage because Beerus uses divine Ki and a form he doesn't even know is real as definitive proof against multiple feats that fusion is a bigger multiplier than SSG. Whether he is stronger than Beerus or not is still up in the air, but he is at the upper GoD level. Rank the most powerful character in dragon ball. I will go with Mui goku because before he went Ultra Instinct. now SSJ Broly was stated in the novel to be more powerful than anyone fought before him. Goku compared Broly to 'possibly' being stronger than Beerus. While we don't know where exactly Gogeta stands in power here, we know for a fact that he was pushed to SSJBlue by Broly, who might be stronger than Beerus, according to Goku, who never saw Beerus at 100%, so he is most likely closer in power to Broly than to … Pure Buu, being about equal to SS3 Goku in strength, meant he was 400 times stronger than Goku putting his all into their struggle. So you guys think current MUI Goku one shots Jiren? The only reason Gogeta is even "possibly" 2-C is because he is faaar stronger than Legendary Broly. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, someone who according to Goku, who has not seen Beerus's full power, MIGHT be stronger than him. I honestly have no idea, they are both really strong, but I do know it would be a good fight. broly was stated more powerful. First of all, Gogeta is stronger than MUI Goku and Limit Breaker Jiren because Gogeta is made of Goku’s and Vegeta’s best traits and multiplies it by a lot so any power-up or transformation Goku or Vegeta gets is added to Gogeta. Are Super Saiyan Full Power Broly and Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta stronger than Beerus? Before creation must come destruction - Beerus, A serious question to the people that think Goku is stronger than Gogeta. stop the jiren dickriding. The answer is pretty clear. Dragon Ball Super Special 109 and 110 has been released and debuted Ultra Instinct Goku vs Jiren! I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less nebulous than Goku's guess about Broly's power). So if MUI/CUI Goku is "X amount" stronger than SSJB Goku in the last fight with Jiren, take that number and apply it to Goku in the Kefla fight, and see how a SSJB Kefla would scale to that. Gogeta from super went to another dimension not gt gogeta. The reasons being, for one, Goku and Vegeta have gotten significantly stronger throughout the T.O.P, in comparison to the Future Trunks arc. A discussion-dedicated Dragon Ball subreddit. 2020.dec.20. Fusion is now stated as their combined powers multiplied "tens" of times. So how could Gogeta possibly be weaker than Goku? So 40-200x stronger. That was more of a shock statement made to drum up conversation. Because of this, we can conclude that Super Saiyan God > Super Saiyan Vegetto (since Goku would have known Vegetto's limits and power) > = Super Saiyan 4 Goku. So compared to Current Goku, Moro's strongest forms, and Beerus is Jiren...... SSJ Goku on Namek vs a hypothetical Kaioken x 50 Goku for the Freeza fight. 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